Welcome to The Border, Vector!
Welcome to The Border, Vector!
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I will have to disagree with this. As you say, this is a "business", but when they formed this band, there was an "equal partnership" between them. Randy, Don Felder & Bernie were not "Hired Help" here. There were legal contracts drawn up between them, which included financial & decision making in the band, so to say that Frey & Henley were equally managing partners is not really correct.
Their relationships with all of them including Johns, & Geffen contributed hugely to their success. They wouldn't be where they are today if not for the contributions of all of these other people. Once again, the Eagles are a band, not just Frey & Henley.
Felder wasn't even an original Eagle. He didn't join until the 3rd album. He is disgruntled and comes off as a whiner and he just needs to "get over it"
I'm just about to head off to dinner, but will return later tonight to catch up on some replies.
In the mean time I just want to touch on the political aspect a few have objected to. First when I said "liberal kooks", I was not referring to (D's) in general, nor anyone here.
Rather I specifically mentioned Jerry Brown (aka Gov Moonbeam) and Sen Alan Cranston. Both of them were mentioed in the book/doc and were on the fringes of the political left.
As I've mentioned, while I personally lean right, I've voted for (D's) and will continue to, if they are the right person for the position.
While this discussion might involve a little political comment as it pertains to the Eagles(in both the doc/books), I'd prefer not to get mired down in partisan debate.
So let's just discuss the merits or lack thereof of what you think about my research/view, and how it compares with yours.
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First of all, I neglected to welcome you in my first post, Vector, so let me officially say “welcome” now.
I want clarify that I am an old hat Eagles fan and have been discussing the acrimony in the band in varying degrees since Felder was fired, so, personally, I really have grown tired of the whole thing. However, I realize that this isn’t all about me, and I understand that fans still find it worth talking about. So, I didn’t mean to sound chastising about it, but, at the same time, I don’t have much else to add to the discussion aside from giving my opinion if I think something is being unfairly represented.
Vector, you believe that less information makes you more objective. I happen to believe if you don’t have all the facts in a situation, then there is no way that you are able to judge the situation in an unbiased manner. So, that includes all of us here, since none of us are in that position. But, the more information and perspectives that you do have enables you to judge a situation more objectively. Unfortunately, some of the information that is available about the band can’t all be found on the internet. In particular, I’m referring to articles and interviews that were given throughout the band’s history. Soda acquired lots and lots of them and used to have them posted on the online sites. However, she took them down due to potential copyright issues, but I read virtually all of them, in addition to every known published book. I’m sure that there are even more out there that I haven’t read, but for me, the more I read, the more insight I have gotten about the band. I don’t mean to sound like I know it all, but, for me, more is better.
As far as the information about the lawsuit, there is a lot of information about it in Felder’s Heaven and Hell book thread. There are lots of opinions in that thread, but there is also a lot of factual information as well, particularly about the details of what is publicly known about the lawsuit.
With regard to this comment, I get the impression that most fans who feel Felder was treated unfairly feel the same as you do. Folks are certainly entitled to that opinion, but there are many others who believe it was absolutely fair. As Glenn said in the documentary, Joe and Timothy were also okay with it, but Felder was not. However, he did sign the contract and, to me, should have been at peace with his decision upon doing so. By continuously complaining many years after agreeing to the terms, the other viewpoint is that Felder sowed the seeds of discontent. I happen to believe that the contract was just part of the problem, and all of the events leading up to Felder’s firing are more complex. But, again, I have already explained my view on this many other times, so I am going to leave it at that.Originally Posted by Vector
"People don't run out of dreams: People just run out of time ..."
Glenn Frey 11/06/1948 - 01/18/2016
-Austin-
Resident Guitar Slinger
Fan of the Eagles from 1972-2016 #NOGLENNNOEAGLES
RIP Glenn Frey and Randy Meisner
"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key..."
My stance on this is that I could not care less about the business side of this band. The Felder thing happened - yeah, it was badly handled and all that, but the past is behind us. As long as these guys keep making music, I'm good. I do have specific feelings about how Frey and Henley handled the situation.... but that's all I'm going to say about that, I think. I could go so much more in depth with this, but I have AP Chemistry homework and honestly, arguing with people on the Internet - even if they have well thought out, respectful opinions and arguements - is a waste of my time.
~ Tori
Welcome, Vector! Sorry i'm a few days late in replying, I don't get online often.
I found it quite interesting that this documentary made you like the band less, where it made me like them more! In fact I became obsessed immediately as I watched it, and before this I was only a casual fan who only liked maybe 3 or 4 songs! Interesting how this documentary has affected people differently!
I do agree with most of what you said though, and that probably makes no sense given what my previous paragraph said, but even though I love a band, I can still see the flaws and love them anyway. For me, it's more about the music than the politics or the business aspect. Honestly, I pay very little attention to that when I get into a band. I wish music didn't have to involve business. Music is art, it's creative expression. Which is pretty much the opposite of what a business is. So sad they have to go hand in hand in order for a band to make it big.