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    Phil Collins is super amazing and wish I saw him in concert as well as Genesis. I would've loved the concerts.
    I love this song and Phil Collins has way too much fun with the crowd
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    That's a good one!

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    Thanks to Freypower for pointing me at this thread. It was buried quite deep.

    There's a new documentary on Genesis that was broadcast on the BBC on Sunday (and is still available on iPlayer for UK viewers) and will be shown on Showtime on Friday (under a different title, but the two films are the same length). There will also be a DVD release in November.

    I don't know enough about Genesis to say if it's any good or leaves out anything of significance. It was still fairly entertaining for a non-fan but I don't feel inspired to explore their back catlogue.

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    I can't tell you anything about Gabriel era Genesis. That's not a joke; I have never heard any of it.

    I have the following Collins era albums:

    A Trick Of The Tail
    Abacab
    Duke
    Genesis
    Invisible Touch
    We Can't Dance

    All of these albums to some extent continue with the prog rock for which the band is known, particularly the first & second named. Duke has a couple of very well known hits; Misunderstanding & Turn It On Again. Behind The Lines was reworked on Collins' solo masterpiece Face Value. Genesis includes the superb That's All & the epics Mama & Home By The sea. Invisible Touch & to a lesser extent We Can't Dance were huge commercial successes & probably require no explanation. They are all worth hearing. My personal favourite is We Can't Dance.

    For Collins Face Value is beyond essential as is Hello I Must Be Going. No Jacket Required & But Seriously were the huge hit albums. Both Sides & Testify are very good.

    You can't go wrong if you have Gabriel 1 (includes Solsbury Hill), Gabriel 3 (includes Biko & Games Without Frontiers) & So (includes Sledgehammer, Don't Give Up, In Your Eyes). I love Us as well but it's not as well known. I could write about this all day despite my lack of early Genesis knowledge.

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    I briefly liked Genesis about the time of Nursery Cryme - "Return of the Giant Hogweed" in particular - but I turned away from prog rock soon afterwards and moved onto american soft rock. The later Genesis, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins are like the wallpaper of my life, much like the Eagles are for many americans. I've never had to buy any of their records because they were played everywhere. I quite like them.

    Solsbury Hill is a bit special for me. I spent an important period of my life in a house with a view of Solsbury Hill and just up the lane from where Peter Gabriel had lived (I assume) when he wrote the song. He was gone long before we got there but I know his old house and it has great views across to Solsbury Hill. When I hear that song, it really does take me home.

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    Just watched the documentary. There was nothing questionable from Tony Banks except that comment that Steve Hackett's playing was "stiff" in the seventies. That one was weird. But that seems to be his opinion and he said it.

    But the other stuff...I can understand if it looks to some people like Tony is being rude or something, but he just doesn't know how to act for the camera. He talks like you were chatting with him at his home. I don't think that's a bad quality. And when you watch them together, you can see that Tony and Peter still have this..."healthy friction" or whatever, that best friends can have. The other guys have said this on many occasions, when there has been a "reunion meeting", that all of them tend to suddenly assume their old roles - and Tony and Peter are again the best friends in the good and the bad.

    They are such old friends that they can talk honestly about each other and in the presence of the other guy. If I didn't know a little bit about Tony, or his childhood friendship with Peter, I would probably think that Tony was a bit rude in some places. But as it was, when the five men were there together it was like a reunion between old pals where the camera just happened to be on. No one was just playing nice for the camera. Perhaps Steve is a bit more an outsider to that "inner circle of school friends" than Phil. Seems that Phil isn't much of an outsider anymore. Probably because of his easygoing nature.

    I think it was nice of Tony to admit that Steve's ideas weren't necessarily rejected because they were bad. Tony admitted that he shouted loudest and was the grumpiest if his ideas weren't accepted.

    There were some things that I noticed were edited to make up a new conversation. There were bits taken from the Come Rain Or Shine documentary and edited. For example Tony's "try a few and see what happens" comment was edited to look like it was a response to what songs they should play. In fact it was originally a response to Mike Rutherford's comment that he doesn't remember what tuning he used on Cinema show. This is a minor issue, but when you recognize some "creative editing", no matter how minor, it makes you wonder how much the editors were manipulating the whole thing
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    I've now watched the documentary twice & I love it. I know I need to start listening to the Gabriel era songs. So I am playing the live album Seconds Out which is from the Collins era, but it's a quick way to hear the songs. I am still only on Disc One. There are a couple of tracks from Trick Of The Tail which I already knew.

    Carpet Crawlers - what's the big deal? It's too slow. As for I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) I cannot get into it at all. I thought this was the song where they started becoming a bit more accessible. The song I do like is The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. I am bracing myself for Supper's Ready on Disc Two.

    Can any Genesis fans give me an idea of which Gabriel era albums I should buy or should I just get a compilation? There is something called R-Kive which includes tracks by all members. I was also considering Archive 2 which covers the Collins years.

    In the meantime I have become obsessed with the song That's All from Genesis. Does this have the catchiest keyboard riff ever written? It's also Phil being abrasive & cynical which I prefer to his sentimental side. Yesterday I listened to Home By The Sea - also a great song from the same album.

    Literally the second I write this We Wait & We Wonder from Both Sides has started! It's a good track, nice & anthemic.

    I have a peculiar thing with Phil songs wondering if he will use English or American pronunciation. The more commercially successful he became the more he tended to pronounce words like 'last' & 'pass' the American way. Sometimes he does both in the same song. He will start English & go American (Mama) or start American & go English (Land Of Confusion has an American 'can't you see' & an English 'can't you see' at the end). Gabriel is the same on occasions (That Voice Again has an American 'can't help but listen' & near the end it's English). I am fascinated by this, I don't know why.

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    I just realized that this thread existed after reading the part of HoTE thread discussing the Genesis documentary!

    I'm a big Genesis fan. I like almost everything they've done. I will admit that I like the Collins era better, but I still enjoy most of the early stuff. I also like some of Phil Collins' solo stuff(just bought No Jacket Required on vinyl). My favorite album is probably Genesis or We Can't Dance. Gabriel era- I love Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound.
    I've watched the documentary once before on tv. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it, except that my favorite song "No Son of Mine" wasn't mentioned at all! I've looked for at FYE, but I haven't found it yet
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    I've just spotted this topic and Genesis, at least when they were operational, were my favourite group. I've been a loyal fan since being invited, by a friend who was a fan, to see them live in 1981. They were brilliant live.

    Genesis were always a five piece on stage. Two huge drum kits, Big sound. Phil Collins is a great drummer and a great vocalist/front man. Their live albums, and even the bootlegs are all very good.
    They've constantly done TV and radio broadcasts ever since Phil joined them at the start of the 70s. Peter's linguistic skills, something Phil later adopted, meant, when they started out, they were at least as big in Europe as they were in the UK.
    Like the Eagles they are/were huge worldwide. Despite having great albums, they've always been better live than on record.

    I gradually worked my way back through all the previous Genesis albums while keeping up with the latest stuff.

    Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Double Album/Awful Sleeve) are the major Gabriel era albums. The Battle Of Epping Forest is the only Genesis track that I dislike. Almost every Genesis track has some redeeming feature.

    Steve Hackett has just released a couple of CDs that revisit his Genesis days. They're extensive faithful and excellently done but they obviously don't contain the magic of the originals.


    My jaw hit the floor when I read that Joe Walsh's pal and Barnstorm drummer Joe Vitale was Phil Collins' first choice drummer, when he launched his incredibly successful solo career. Vitale was already committed to a CSN tour so he had to back out. Big, Big mistake Joe!

    I once saw a Peter Gabriel top ten which contained all the usual suspects, Salisbury Hill, Sledgehammer & In Your Eyes etc. except the number one: San Jacinto. Me and my brother looked at each other... we don't know that one, We immediately pulled out the disc, put it on... and Yes! San Jacinto is Peter Gabriel's best solo track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlreadyGone95 View Post
    I just realized that this thread existed after reading the part of HoTE thread discussing the Genesis documentary!

    I'm a big Genesis fan. I like almost everything they've done. I will admit that I like the Collins era better, but I still enjoy most of the early stuff. I also like some of Phil Collins' solo stuff(just bought No Jacket Required on vinyl). My favorite album is probably Genesis or We Can't Dance. Gabriel era- I love Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound.
    I've watched the documentary once before on tv. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it, except that my favorite song "No Son of Mine" wasn't mentioned at all! I've looked for at FYE, but I haven't found it yet
    You can get the documentary,Together & Apart, on amazon.com.

    They couldn't mention every song. No Son Of Mine is a favourite of mine too.

    As I said above I am really loving Genesis at the moment. The self titled album is extraordinary. I could listen to Home By The Sea all day. One thing I should say is that there is a cliché that once Peter left, they went all poppy and commerical. They started having hit singles, yes. But anyone who has heard some of the long album tracks knows that they were still 'prog' at heart.
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