Looks like The Band is on a full fledged tour next year! How do you feel about that?

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Thank you. As I've stated, I understand and can respect people being against the current line-up but what I can't understand or respect is the cruel and cold comments about the family, the band, and the new line-up fans. Also the things stated that were flat-out untrue, and the fact that all of that is tolerated here.

Those are the things that seem inappropriate and wrong.

Arlee - it seems like this is a matter of perception. I personally don't perceive comments made about the family or the band as cruel and cold, especially when taken in context of all the other discussion in the threads. As far as things stated that were flat-out untrue, if you would like to cite specific comments, I would certainly be glad to give you my take on them and I'm sure other members can as well. We pride ourselves on trying to make sure that information posted on the board is accurate and substantiated, so if you have facts to the contrary, we appreciate you bringing them to our attention.

[Arlee]

Arlee - it seems like this is a matter of perception. I personally don't perceive comments made about the family or the band as cruel and cold, especially when taken in context of all the other discussion in the threads. As far as things stated that were flat-out untrue, if you would like to cite specific comments, I would certainly be glad to give you my take on them and I'm sure other members can as well. We pride ourselves on trying to make sure that information posted on the board is accurate and substantiated, so if you have facts to the contrary, we appreciate you bringing them to our attention.

Thank you. I addressed it all in my original post, in detail (it was long, lol.) First, there was talk about how the members weren't really friends, that it was just a business arrangement. I think the point was to show something like, "see, they weren't really his friends so of course they would betray him."

Second, that Deacon had no musical experience, background, or talent, and that he didn't really have a career before this. Third, that Gill didn't have much of a career and so that is why he joined.

The out-of-line statements about the family, remaining Eagles, and fans included talk of how they're all betraying him and his memory, how terrible they are for doing this, and blame Cindy for allowing it. That they are all doing this for the money only. There was more negative talk leveled at his family but I had to stop reading it. It was said that anyone who goes to the concerts now are basically saying that Glenn didn't matter to them and his contributions meant nothing.

That was personally offensive to me, but I was most bothered about the things said about Deacon and his mother.

These things were personal attacks. There was more but I had to stop reading. These aren't exact quotes but it's the gist. I only read it once and don't want to look at it again.

I have no problem with the fact that some people don't like the new line-up. What's wrong is the personal attacks on the band, the family, and the fans.

(This part is more for the debate about the new line-up: many people don't realize that Glenn is honored at the concerts. There is happiness and tears. Henley literally states that "someone is missing" and that they're "not pretending it's the same band." He states that this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us.)

[Dawn]

Speaking only for myself:

It is is not a question of honoring Glenn Frey or whether the brand is or isn't.

[WalshFan88]

Arlee-

I'm sorry you found some of the comments "untrue" or "cruel". Undoubtedly some of my own are in that group, and I'm ok with that because that's not the way I see them and others have agreed.

Simply put, my perspective is that once Deacon and Cindy decided to move forward, and Don, Tim, and Joe decided to move forward - they opened themselves up to it. I will not apologize for anything I've said about them or this abomination of a "band" now. I don't see them as personal attacks. I've never said Deacon wasn't talented. I just said that he should be doing something else than be a caricature of his dad. As far as Vince Gill, I do not like him one bit and that's just my take on it. While some may see him as the "nice guy", I see him as being too happy to jump into his old friend's role, despite his verbiage about it being bittersweet. His comments when he joined like "I always thought I'd make a good Eagle", made my stomach turn. I don't think he is talented as you might think. That's all. I think he needed the Eagles more than the Eagles needed him, regardless of his prior moderate success in the country genre. Anyone would BEG to have the Eagles on their resume, even some big name artists, and yes - it will help their career a lot.

My perspective, as I've shared in the "for those saying" thread, is that Glenn was the most important member of the band, and while I might not go if Don was gone but Glenn was there - there is simply no way to have the band called Eagles without Glenn Lewis Frey. He was everything to that band. I don't mean to offend Don fans, but I just feel he was the one with the vision and the one who contributed the most. TEHO. But yes, that does affect my stance on this, I won't lie. Still, you can't take him away and try to get me to go see the other 3 with Deacon and Vince. I just won't. The fact they had to bring 2 people in to TRY and barely scrape by in replacing Glenn's role says it all. Glenn was larger than life. I know you say they are still tributing him, but sure I don't see it. Or see enough of it. And I feel like yes, this is a shameless $ grab.

I think the best thing for me to say here is that we need to move on and realize we won't likely make each other happy here, and won't come to a resolution as I have no intention of backing down on my comments of the new group, and you are visibly upset by that. I think my only advice would be to enjoy the other threads where you can find a wealth of information about all eras of the band, look at pictures, participate in new show threads for the 3.0 group, and enjoy what the Border has to offer besides debate about the continuance of the Eagles, since it seems to bother you. Or as I suggested, find another forum.

-WF88

[Arlee]

Arlee-

I'm sorry you found some of the comments "untrue" or "cruel". Undoubtedly some of my own are in that group, and I'm ok with that because that's not the way I see them and others have agreed.

Simply put, my perspective is that once Deacon and Cindy decided to move forward, and Don, Tim, and Joe decided to move forward - they opened themselves up to it. I will not apologize for anything I've said about them or this abomination of a "band" now. I don't see them as personal attacks. I've never said Deacon wasn't talented. I just said that he should be doing something else than be a caricature of his dad. As far as Vince Gill, I do not like him one bit and that's just my take on it. While some may see him as the "nice guy", I see him as being too happy to jump into his old friend's role, despite his verbiage about it being bittersweet. His comments when he joined like "I always thought I'd make a good Eagle", made my stomach turn. I don't think he is talented as you might think. That's all. I think he needed the Eagles more than the Eagles needed him, regardless of his prior moderate success in the country genre. Anyone would BEG to have the Eagles on their resume, even some big name artists, and yes - it will help their career a lot.

My perspective, as I've shared in the "for those saying" thread, is that Glenn was the most important member of the band, and while I might not go if Don was gone but Glenn was there - there is simply no way to have the band called Eagles without Glenn Lewis Frey. He was everything to that band. I don't mean to offend Don fans, but I just feel he was the one with the vision and the one who contributed the most. TEHO. But yes, that does affect my stance on this, I won't lie. Still, you can't take him away and try to get me to go see the other 3 with Deacon and Vince. I just won't. The fact they had to bring 2 people in to TRY and barely scrape by in replacing Glenn's role says it all. Glenn was larger than life. I know you say they are still tributing him, but sure I don't see it. Or see enough of it. And I feel like yes, this is a shameless $ grab.

I think the best thing for me to say here is that we need to move on and realize we won't likely make each other happy here, and won't come to a resolution as I have no intention of backing down on my comments of the new group, and you are visibly upset by that. I think my only advice would be to enjoy the other threads where you can find a wealth of information about all eras of the band, look at pictures, participate in new show threads for the 3.0 group, and enjoy what the Border has to offer besides debate about the continuance of the Eagles, since it seems to bother you. Or as I suggested, find another forum.

-WF88

I've read most of what you said here in other posts by you and others. People are defending themselves to me regarding things I've never said or argued about.

Again, I understand why some would be resistant to the new band. I agree it was Glenn's band. I never said it was you who said the offensive statements. I don't know if it was you or not

It's true that some things said were false. I've stated what they were.

I can think some comments were offensive just as much as folks are allowed to think otherwise.

It's offensive to me when I'm told I'm a fan who didn't think Glenn was important to the band.

Once again I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE DISLIKING THE NEW LINE-UP. I RESPECT THAT AND I CAN UNDERSTAND IT.

I'm not yelling there and it's not just directed at you.


Just in case anyone missed it again-

-I have no issue with people disliking the new line-up. I can understand their view. I can respect it. I agree it was Glenn's band.

-I can take offense to the statements that weren't true or that I felt were inappropriate just as much as people are allowed to dislike the new line-up. People share differing opinions. I understand that. I'm not arguing. I'm stating my opinion. Not trying to convince. Not arguing.

-People keep making points that I've never argued against or even said anything about.

[sodascouts]

-People keep making points that I've never argued against or even said anything about.

I feel like you're doing the same to a degree. I went back and looked through that thread, and I didn't find anything that said Deacon had no talent, or that the Freys were terrible people. But perhaps I missed them. Please link to them. I'd like to know exactly who you are calling cruel, and who you are calling a liar.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I was about to post essentially the same thing, Soda.

Arlee - Like all of us, you certainly have a right to your opinion and you even have a right to be offended by some comments. I don’t see where anyone here has disputed that, so I’m not sure why you feel that is the case. However, just because you don’t agree with what others have said doesn’t mean they are lying. And I also went back and carefully reread all of your posts and you seem to be mixing up opinions and facts, as well as, contradicting some of your own remarks. Honestly, I’m not going to spend a lot of time refuting baseless claims especially when you haven’t even read all of the posts in the thread you have such issues with. But kind in mind, when you accuse or condemn other members, you are personally attacking and offending them.

(This part is more for the debate about the new line-up: many people don't realize that Glenn is honored at the concerts. There is happiness and tears. Henley literally states that "someone is missing"and that they're "not pretending it's the same band." He states that this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us.)

I would also welcome it if you could share more about how Glenn is being honored at concerts because your account differs from information that has been given by others here. Now, admittedly, I have not been to any of the shows, but from everything I’ve read and heard, Glenn is usually only mentioned once by Deacon as a prelude to Peaceful Easy Feeling, and then his picture is flashed on the jumbotron for several seconds after the song.

Maybe you can help shed some light on this, but I’ve not heard any reports of tears from the band members. Also, if Henley has said in concert that “someone is missing” and “they’re not pretending to be the same band” or that “this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us”, then I had not heard this before either. If that is something he does at every show, then I do appreciate the sentiment. But, irregardless, I still have a difficult time envisioning these shows as a celebration of Glenn’s legacy when, by all accounts, they don’t even bother to dedicate a song to him. And, TBH, my perspective is that no matter what rhetoric Henley uses, they are, indeed, pretending to be the same band as long as they call themselves “Eagles”.

[Arlee]

I feel like you're doing the same to a degree. I went back and looked through that thread, and I didn't find anything that said Deacon had no talent, or that the Freys were terrible people. But perhaps I missed them. Please link to them. I'd like to know exactly who you are calling cruel, and who you are calling a liar.

Sigh.

I did not call anyone a liar.

I did not call anyone cruel.

There was plenty talk about Deacon's lack of career, musical experience, and talent. As I've said, with some of it I don't know the exact wording.

Saying that they are insulting Glenn's memory, and that it's a money grab, is indeed a low blow to the family. There were other negatives said about them but I don't want to read it again.

I've stated many times that is what "I felt," "I thought," and "my opinion." (Other than the factual stuff.)

I'm not going to go back and read 125 pages or whatever it is. I have stated I had to stop reading. I've given many examples already. And, as with this post, I have to keep explaining the same stuff and saying "I never said that."

This has not been a discussion, but a series of people saying I said things I didn't say, and asking for examples, and me saying over and over "I didn't say that," and giving numerous examples. It's been a successful tactic to put me in the defensive position.

[WalshFan88]

Speaking only for myself:

It is is not a question of honoring Glenn Frey or whether the brand is or isn't.

Yes this. It's the fact they are going on without him, seemingly business as usual.

But it would be nice to see them show a bit more honoring of him...

[Arlee]

Originally Posted by Dawn View Post
Speaking only for myself:

It is is not a question of honoring Glenn Frey or whether the brand is or isn't.

Yes this. It's the fact they are going on without him, seemingly business as usual.

But it would be nice to see them show a bit more honoring of him...

I can appreciate what you're both saying here. I just wanted to add details of the show, just as a way of letting people know they do honor him. Not arguing, just informing.
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