Let me start with your last post first.

Quote Originally Posted by sodascouts View Post
I suggest you look at the treatment you have received here and ask yourself if you feel bullied. Willie is a sweet person who doesn't enjoy heated debate, so when several members vehemently disagreed with her, she decided not to continue arguing. However, she has not been bullied. She wouldn't put up with that either (would you Willie? )
I never said or implied I was bullied on this site. I merely pointed out how I will not allow myself to be bullied or shouted down.
On the contrary, my treatment here has been great, and the discussion I've invited has been civil and thoughtful. Even if someone gets passionate about disagreeing with me, I would not consider it inappropriate nor bullying.


Remember that Glenn Frey was the one who recommended Johns in the first place; he understood that the man knew what he was talking about. However, he didn't like not having creative control, and he wasn't the only one. Johns didn't want to mic the drums for Henley either, and Randy also chafed at the "no drugs" policy. Only Bernie, I believe, has voiced no complaints against Johns, but even he was ready to leave after the failure of Desperado.

I see no disagreement with that at all. I would only mention what I am sure you will recall from the Doc, where the Frey/Johns relationship was described as oil & water.

I think the guys were willing to take out what Johns dished at first precisely because of the reason you mentioned for the first album; plus, they were insecure then.

Agreed

However, again, I must remind you that Desperado was NOT a smash. It was a commercial failure. I think that's what gave the band the courage to leave Johns in spite of his pedigree.

What I meant was that it became a smash, not that it was immediate.

They did not leave Johns until AFTER the sales figures for Desperado came in.
If Johns felt vindicated, it wouldn't be through the failed Desperado but for "Best of My Love." It was the last song they recorded with Johns and it appeared on On the Border. Unlike Desperado, it WAS a smash hit. I'm sure he took pleasure in that.

Personally I believe he took pride in both. He alluded to it as well.

I did not mention/cover it, but as to them not leaving John's until sales figures came in, I'm not really sure that was their main motivation. As you correctly point out, other issues such as the drum mic's, no drugs, being on time, etc. were a source of contention for everyone involved. The On The Border album that was co-produced by John's and Szymczk(sp?) was still much more country than rock, so my comment also alludes to him(at least at the time) believing they were more of a country/harmony band.

You may wish to believe that Bernie was expressing band sentiments and not his own with his statement "Glyn Johns missed it"; you may wish to believe that he secretly wanted to remain with Johns. However, as he didn't say so in the documentary or in any other interview that I'm aware of, I think that belief is difficult to support.

It is not so much what I wish to think, as it has no bearing on me whatsoever. Bernie was country, and John's felt that was their wheelhouse. So it stands to reason L-eadon would not be as compelled to leave as Frey who wanted a harder edge. As to the comment, I said I was not sure, and needed to go back and see if L-eadon was referring to himself making the comment, or if it was the overall bands feeling.

There was no confrontation with Johns; indeed, by then, Johns seems to have tired of the Eagles. Therefore, I really don't see Glenn acting so terribly here. You have some good points in other segments of your argument, but I think holding the leaving of Johns against Glenn is a stretch.

I did not mean to imply there was a physical confrontation, as John's was a much older guy by then. Rather as above, I am referring to Frey and him being so much at odds that they were referred to as oil & water. John's undoubtedly got tired of them as the conversation between Bill S and John's indicated in the Doc, "better you than me mate".

Still I will concede it was not Frey alone who caused the switch.


As webmistress of a network of Eagles sites, I too have read, summarized, and cataloged an entire database of articles - including the ones you mentioned - that I was forced to later take down because of a copyright troll. Despite that, I have no recollection of such a statement. Now, perhaps I've just forgotten it - that's not impossible - but I'm afraid without a citation, I'm not ready to just accept such a condemnation without proof. I think it is probable that you are remembering wrong - such as your mistaken assertion that Desperado was a "smash hit."

The term "smash" I already spoke to above. As to a copyright troll, that is a loss to everyone.

If this point about the main person being Frey who authorised Azoff to file the lawsuit is important to you, I will re-read/view some of the material hoping to catch it among the other info.

I will have to finish my post later as somehow it posted mid-reply, and I need to do something else at the moment.

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