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    A proposed merger between these two major labels is getting some press. Comments Don made back in 2001 are quoted in the article twice. It's an interesting read, no matter which side of the issue you're on.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1897901.html
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    Gosh, I sure hope this doesn't happen.

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    They didn't stop XM and Sirius, they didn't stop NBC Universal and Comcast... I'm with you, Soda, but I'm trying to think of one they did deny lately.
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    They didn't stop Ticketmaster and LiveNation either.

    It doesn't look good.

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    When I saw you had replied, Soda, I was hoping you'd cheer me up. But instead you've dashed my hopes still further.
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    Doesn't sound good.
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    Looks like this is going to happen. I read that it has been approved. Universal is buying EMI for I think 1.9 billion$

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    Yes. This mega-label will hold the rights to so much music that they'll be able to demand much higher percentages from sales, which means higher prices for you and me. This will especially impact the digital arena. Any digital providers unwilling ((or unable financially) to go along with UMG/EMI's demands will fold.

    A lot of lost money and jobs.... except at the top, where the fatcats get fatter. And when the raised prices lead to fewer sales, they'll tell you that it's all the fault of music pirates and YouTube!

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    Default Re: UMG/EMI merger

    Quote Originally Posted by sodascouts View Post
    Yes. This mega-label will hold the rights to so much music that they'll be able to demand much higher percentages from sales, which means higher prices for you and me. This will especially impact the digital arena. Any digital providers unwilling ((or unable financially) to go along with UMG/EMI's demands will fold.

    A lot of lost money and jobs.... except at the top, where the fatcats get fatter. And when the raised prices lead to fewer sales, they'll tell you that it's all the fault of music pirates and YouTube!
    don't mean to be dense, but I never understand all this kind of talk...who do you mean by "digital providers"?...but I do get enough of it to know it's not good

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    Default Re: UMG/EMI merger

    I'm talking about services which sell music online ("digitally") such as iTunes.

    Here is more information: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb0...nlinemusic.htm

    The record companies get a cut of the sales of each online song. With the merger, such a massive amount of popular songs will belong to this mega-label that they can negotiate a much larger cut, or else they no longer will allow the music to be available to sell legally online through that service. That will render the service so bereft of popular songs that their sales will plummet. They can't win; either surrender a lot more money to the record companies and lose it that way, or lose money because they are no longer licensed to sell so many popular songs. If they agree, they will almost certainly raise prices to reduce their losses.

    It's like if you had a business which sells cookies made by a lot of different bakeries, and you gave those bakeries about 70% of the money you made selling their cookies and keep 30% for yourself as payment for your services. Your store is popular, so they give you their cookies to sell. They make money off what you sell and additionally hope your customers will like those cookies so much they'll go to the original bakery more and increase profits there, too. It works pretty well and you're bringing in some good money.

    Then, a company comes and buys up a vast majority of the bakeries that provided you with your many of your best-selling cookies. The company tells you that unless you increase their cut of your cookie sales, they won't let you sell cookies from those bakeries anymore. Perhaps they now demand 90% of the money instead of 70%.

    You'll have a much smaller selection of cookies to sell in your store unless you agree. Refusing to agree will hurt your business because people may come into the store looking for their favorite type of cookie and you can no longer sell it. They go elsewhere to find that cookie and don't come back.

    If you do agree to the new terms, however, you're making a THIRD of what you used to. You may not be able to afford to maintain your store anymore.

    What to do? One solution: Agree to the terms, then raise the prices of the cookies considerably to try and make up the difference. Another solution: lessen the cut that you have been giving the smaller bakeries, the mom-and-pop bakeries, whose cookies aren't as popular. You'll probably wind up doing both.

    All around, no one is benefiting except that company.

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