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Did they ask Bernie and Randy to be part of the reunion in 1994?
I've been thinking about this for a while. I wonder if Bernie and Randy were asked to be part of the reunion in 1994 or they just wanted the line up they had when they broke up. I always wonder. They ask Bernie back for the current tour and I think I heard (I could be wrong on this) they ask Randy too, but he was having health problems at the time.
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Neither Bernie nor Randy was asked back for the HFO reunion. Glenn called it a "resumption" ie they were picking up where they left off with The Long Run, and that included a lineup with Tim on bass and Joe/Felder on guitar rather than Randy and Bernie.
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Thanks, Soda. I didn't know that. I guess I was thinking about that since they did ask Bernie to be part of the current tour.
It also makes you wonder. If Felder didn't sign that contract to be part of the 1994 reunion tour, would they had asked Bernie anyway or just had only Joe or get a new guitar player(which I think they were going to do if he didn't sign it).
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shunlvswx
I've been thinking about this for a while. I wonder if Bernie and Randy were asked to be part of the reunion in 1994 or they just wanted the line up they had when they broke up. I always wonder. They ask Bernie back for the current tour and I think I heard (I could be wrong on this) they ask Randy too, but he was having health problems at the time.
You heard correctly that Randy could not be part of this tour due to health reasons. He had suffered a collapsed lung recently when he choked on some food. He used to play with a band called The World Class Rockers but he has not performed with them for several years. I have heard uncomformed reports that it is because of heart problems. Maybe someone else could shed some light on this as to whether or not it is true.
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I remember (or in my case just heard he was in this band)Bernie was in the band Run CMW and I think that group was formed around the time the Eagles were reuniting. I remembered that group, but I didn't know Bernie was in the group.
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I always figured the only reason Bernie was asked to join this tour was because its the History of the Eagles tour.
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I agree, PM.
Its good to see him back. To tell the truth. Before the documentary, I've never heard of Bernie.
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No Randy and Bernie were not asked to the Hell Freezes Over Reunion. According to Don F, they did not even want to sing any of the songs that they wrote because they did not want to give Bernie and Randy any royalties from the video or CD. Wow that was really nice on there part considering that Bernie and Randy were part of the first 4 & 5 albums that they made. Nice guys.
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Frey & Henley have it the way they want it now, I guess, but to me it would have made sense to honor those who helped them make it. After all, it was their HARMONY that got people to buy those first records. But, hey, there's only so much money to go around, right?
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Agree, now it is a two way split. Only minor side expenses.
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The HFO DVD is weighted towards Henley and Walsh. Other songs were recorded but didn't make the cut including Peaceful Easy Feeling (Tempchin). It's an odd selection but doesn't really support Felder's allegation that it was to avoid paying royalities to Meisner and Leadon.
There's a strong correlation between the writer and the singer of an Eagles' song and so it doesn't seem surprising that a song gets dropped when the singer leaves rather than have someone else sing it. The exception is Take it to the Limit and each time Frey sings it, Meisner will be collecting royalties.
None of us know what went on when the Eagles were putting together Hell Freezes Over but it must have been a delicate process and it's hardly surprising that they didn't complicate things by trying to include all the former band members.
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Yeah, they didn't want to "complicate" things. Makes sense to me!
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UndertheWire
None of us know what went on when the Eagles were putting together Hell Freezes Over but it must have been a delicate process and it's hardly surprising that they didn't complicate things by trying to include all the former band members.
Definitely! Nothing would kill a tenuous reunion quicker than having back members who quit the band thrown into the mix. Good grief. Would make a good episode on Jerry Springer, and our guys would have ended up as just one more tabloid nightmare.
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Yes, they quit. After being pushed to the point where they could not stand to be there anymore. GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!
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The Thrill Is Never Gone
Yes, they quit. After being pushed to the point where they could not stand to be there anymore. GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely right, Thrill. Does anyone think Randy and Bernie quit a successful band like the Eagles, for any reason other than the fact that they were so unhappy that they didn't have any choice?
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Which makes my point exactly! Thank you, I didn't word it like I should have.
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Springbo
Absolutely right, Thrill. Does anyone think Randy and Bernie quit a successful band like the Eagles, for any reason other than the fact that they were so unhappy that they didn't have any choice?
I have done my very best to stay away from this, but when most musicians leave bands it tends to be because they are unhappy. This is hardly unique to Bernie & Randy.
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Again, yes they quit. But if you were treated like a POS on a daily basis by your supposed friends, you might quit also.
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The Thrill Is Never Gone
Agree, now it is a two way split. Only minor side expenses.
I am guessing that Joe and Timothy make millions and millions of dollars a year. Of course Don and Glenn make more, but I don't think JW and TBS's Eagles revenues are "minor". But, like everyone else on here, I don't know what or how they're paid. I can only surmise that they are not being "disrespected" financially by Glenn, Don and Irving, only because they would not have stuck around for so long. I don't think J & T are thought of or treated as sidemen - the Eagles need them, they are not replaceable in the current lineup. If either were to leave, it would be tough to tour as "the Eagles." It would become "Glenn Frey and Don Henley" in people's minds. At least in mine. (Not that that show would be a horrible thing to attend!)
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The whole show, right down to the introductions, is all about making Joe' The Man', so I agree, MC, not exactly a 'side'. We know, I guess, what the percentages were when they got back together for HFO, but when Felder left, it would have been redone and we don't know how that worked out. I can't imagine any of the guys still in the band ever letting that cat out of the bag.
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VAisForEagleLovers
The whole show, right down to the introductions, is all about making Joe' The Man', so I agree, MC, not exactly a 'side'. We know, I guess, what the percentages were when they got back together for HFO, but when Felder left, it would have been redone and we don't know how that worked out. I can't imagine any of the guys still in the band ever letting that cat out of the bag.
Well, not if they want to keep their job, anyway.
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I know I would have made it part of a non-disclosure agreement and binding, but that's just me, maybe. It's really no one's business but their own.
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That's true but I live for conjecture and debate, especially about my favorite subjects. I know it doesn't always come across in my smartass manner but I do love every one of those boys. I just love one more than the others! LOL
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randymeisnerrocks
I know it doesn't always come across in my smartass manner but I do love every one of those boys. I just love one more than the others! LOL
Me, too!
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Loss of respect for band members is understandable if you don't believe they did the right thing. What I don't get is the outright loathing some express. And it's easy to tell the difference between simple loss of respect and outright loathing. Examples of loss of respect: comments about how you're disappointed in someone's actions. Examples of loathing: taking pleasure in insulting and mocking a person; wanting them to feel pain.
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sodascouts
Well, it's easy to tell the difference between simple loss of respect and outright loathing. Examples of loss of respect: comments about how you're disappointed in someone's actions. Examples of loathing: taking pleasure in insulting and mocking a person; wanting them to feel pain.
Would that include mocking them over plastic surgery? Probably not.
Look, it is obvious that some people are touchy about their favorite band members. We can all see and understand that. But, Soda, you are just as touchy as anyone but just won't admit it. Its obvious that you're Frey all the way and that's OK but others should feel free to be honest in support their favorite, too.
Here's some real honesty for you with no beating around the bush: I am disappointed in the way Frey treated people while using the "good of the band" excuse, first Bernie, then Randy, and then Don F. I believe he was wrong. I still respect his talent and I love their music but you can't just treat people badly and still expect a good reputation.
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randymeisnerrocks
Would that include mocking them over plastic surgery? Probably not.
Frankly, it does.
If you think they look horrible because of their plastic surgery, you have a right to that opinion, but making nasty comments about how ugly you think they are as a result of their procedures serves no purpose.
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sodascouts
Frankly, it does.
If you think they look horrible because of their plastic surgery, you have a right to that opinion, but making nasty comments about how ugly you think they are as a result of their procedures serves no purpose.
I did not start the plastic surgery discussion. I believe that it started on the Felder thread, which says everything about the point I am trying to make.
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If you don't understand the difference between complimenting the effects of someone's plastic surgery and insulting them, then I don't know how to explain it to you.
I will say, however, that the next person who insults an Eagles' appearance gets a strike. I'm tired of putting up with it.
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randymeisnerrocks
I did not start the plastic surgery discussion. I believe that it started on the Felder thread, which says everything about the point I am trying to make.
Yes the plastic surgery did start on the Felder thread. And talk about loathing, I think Mr. Felder has been loathed quite a bit by the gangs.
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I'm afraid I'm one of those that said some loathsome things about Mr. Felder (I use the 'Mr.' out of respect for him and NOT to be snarky, please believe me). I was new to posting in a forum that wasn't technical (all my previous forum experience has been about the joys of Unix programming and transitioning to Windows programming). I felt that since I knew basically nothing about him and got my opinions from his own book I was justified in my opinions. I love/loved all the Eagles and reading some of the things he wrote made my heart hurt.
Since then, I've tried my best and have hopefully improved. I just want everyone to know that when I crossed a line or, since I am now a moderator, came close to crossing a line, I have gotten PMs, texts, and even censure in the thread itself from other moderators about it, and many of them have the same favorite I do. My point is, none of us are exempt.
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I think I started the Felder thread, remarking on how stinkin' good he looks. It somehow devolved into people criticizing the physical appearances of other members of the Eagles, and claiming that Felder can't possibly look that good without having had surgery. I support Soda's stance that the culture of this board shouldn't be a place where posters can make fun of physical features of band members. I think we should be held to a higher standard. None of our guys are supermodels, they are regular people, like you and me. I'm not interested in hearing from people who make fun of 66-year-olds. I'm sure there are plenty of places on the internet where that is totally acceptable.
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MaryC, you are correct the eagles are regular people just like us. I have things that sag, lines around my eyes and brown spots on my hands. I can make jokes about myself, such as things that point south instead of west. But then why do we have to set them at a higher level than any of us. Why can't we joke a little bit about the way they look. They are no better than we are. It was not long ago when you were upset because you were being bashed about your opinion. So are we not allowed that same feeling. It sometimes feels like a double standard.
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The Thrill Is Never Gone
Why can't we joke a little bit about the way they look. They are no better than we are.
One thing I've learned between posting here and on Facebook, sending emails, and the little I tweet... What is a joke to one person is not seen/read as funny by another, even with the use of emoticons. I have a sarcastic sense of humor and I'm often taken seriously. For myself, as I often say on Facebook, there needs to be a Sarcasm Font! It's easy to be misunderstood, and of course, everywhere there's people with no sense of humor at all.
On the opposite side of things, there are people who snark and follow it with LOL like that's supposed to make it better. Others say cruel things and aren't even attempting humor, some of the things I see on Twitter and Facebook seriously make me cringe.
I think we've gotten off topic...
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I'm sorry if I appear to be setting a double standard, of course I don't like being attacked when I believe that what I wrote wasn't offensive and of course I appreciate it when others support me. What I like about these boards is that in general, the posters don't like to see other posters unfairly attacked. I don't think you guys are being unfairly attacked - the mean-spirited critiques of physical appearances was a distasteful trolling of the Felder thread. I was surprised how diplomatic the admin responded initially, I thought she would have tried to put a stop to it sooner. I don't think the admin and mods try to stop good natured ribbing or observations, or even critical commentary about band member's actions (unless they the posts are getting too sexytime :love:). Perhaps a determination of what is mean-spirited and what is all in fun is a fine line, but it's like the definition of porn - you know it when you see it. The rules of this board are pretty clear - it's not a place for bashing the Eagles, especially about something as juvenile as physical appearances. On this very specific topic, I support Soda's position. I consider myself a comrade to all of you and I will support you if you need it. And I love that we are all Eagles fans.
Edit: I don't go around these threads looking to pile on. The only reason I commented here is because of the connection to my posts in the Felder thread. I didn't like how people criticized me for my supposed naivete about the fact that "celebrities have plastic surgery", when I was speaking specifically to only one particular celebrity, Don Felder. I gave a considered analysis of what I think he's had done to get to his current appearance. Instead of people giving their opinions as to what surgical or non-surgical procedures he may or may not have had, I got "you're stupid if you don't think celebrities have surgery." More thoughtful contributions would have been something like, "Looks like he's had..." or "I'm seeing...." instead of how I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Yes, we are all eagles fans. I will just leave it at that. Sometimes you can't swim against the tide.
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MaryCalifornia
I'm sorry if I appear to be setting a double standard, of course I don't like being attacked when I believe that what I wrote wasn't offensive and of course I appreciate it when others support me. What I like about these boards is that in general, the posters don't like to see other posters unfairly attacked. I don't think you guys are being unfairly attacked - the mean-spirited critiques of physical appearances was a distasteful trolling of the Felder thread. I was surprised how diplomatic the admin responded initially, I thought she would have tried to put a stop to it sooner. I don't think the admin and mods try to stop good natured ribbing or observations, or even critical commentary about band member's actions (unless they the posts are getting too sexytime :love:). Perhaps a determination of what is mean-spirited and what is all in fun is a fine line, but it's like the definition of porn - you know it when you see it. The rules of this board are pretty clear - it's not a place for bashing the Eagles, especially about something as juvenile as physical appearances. On this very specific topic, I support Soda's position. I consider myself a comrade to all of you and I will support you if you need it. And I love that we are all Eagles fans.
By the way Mary, I was on your side when you were being attacked. You said nothing wrong and I will stand by that.
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http://www.westword.com/1995-01-11/m...he-limit/full/
Here is another point of veiw about the HOF reunion.
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This also goes along with what Felder said in his book about Bernie and Randy getting cut out of the Royalties.
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Randy usually comes across as whatever happened 'So what' it's in the past but in this article he seems very angry-for him. I don't blame him either. To be cut off and cut out like that must have been dreadful. I have to read it again to take it all in.