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Phil Collins / Genesis
I looked for a thread on Phil Collins and was astonished to see we didn't have one! I have always adored his music, be it with Genesis or solo. No Jacket Required was one of the first albums I bought after I was finally allowed to buy rock music.... still have the cassette tape in a box in my old room at my parent's house.
The impetus for me starting this thread was seeing this article that says he's retiring:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_16...-10391698.html
More information here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/m...ic-career.html
But why does he think people hate him??? We love you, Phil!
I'll post some of my favorite songs by him in a bit.
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I love this song he did with Genesis:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_BRaK301A[/ame]
And I pretty much love all the songs on Invisible Touch....
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMiDhmL_zFo[/ame]
But these three are my very favorites:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjNF3ntRkxk[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G5UwCyr_g8"]In Too Deep[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdlFKYd84[/ame]
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Some of my favorites of his solo career:
(Best, most memorable drum fill ever)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA[/ame]
(Nancy trivia: this was the first music video I ever saw - I wasn't allowed to watch MTV at the time, but I snuck down into the basement during my older sister's birthday party and saw this video and Toni Basil's "Mickey" before getting caught)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJXxWWYFcIA[/ame]
(This song is so emotional - magnificent!)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuvtoyVi7vY[/ame]
As I mentioned before, I pretty much love all of No Jacket Required:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y8WKiMKBVY[/ame]
But my very faves from that are:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Z-eUmR2bM[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKVq-P3z5Vg[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRY1NG1P_kw[/ame]
Some ones I love from But Seriously:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcY3FH208l8[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDNpNP35A_8[/ame]
And this beautiful soundtrack song is another very emotional song I love:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezy8eZ34agc[/ame]
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He thinks people hate him because at the height of his success in the 80s he seemed to be everywhere (similar to the backlash against the Bee Gees).
This is my favourite Phil/Genesis song:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDRXbP1MaY[/ame]
Followed closely by the magnificent 'Spitting Image' video of another great song:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts[/ame]
However a lot of the songs I like are more obscure. I love That's All, Misunderstanding & Turn It On Again; but I also love some of the less well known songs from the We Can't Dance album - Fading Lights, Driving The Last Spike, Dreaming While You Sleep.
But on his own he never bettered the angst of his first solo album Face Value:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA[/ame]
which led one to believe his solo albums would be quirky & deep like his ex-colleague Peter Gabriel's. He decided to take the commercial route instead, but he still released some great songs:
This gorgeous version of the Mindbenders classic:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsC_SARyPzk[/ame]
And probably my second favourite solo song after ITAT (you should recognise the guitarist):
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcY3FH208l8&feature=relmfu[/ame]
And this; I do tend to prefer his 'darker' material:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpfbcXTeo8&feature=relmfu[/ame]
But I love songs like Take Me Home, This Must Be Love, If Leaving Me Is Easy, One More Night, Like China, You Know What I Mean, Thru These Walls, Long Long Way To Go, etc.
ETA: I see Soda & I have posted a couple which are the same but I will leave them. In the case of In The Air Tonight it is probably in my Top 30 songs of all time.
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What?! Phil can't retire! I love the songs Land Of Confusion, In The Air Tonight, and Tonight Tonight Tonight.
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Originally Posted by
Freypower
ETA: I see Soda & I have posted a couple which are the same but I will leave them. In the case of In The Air Tonight it is probably in my Top 30 songs of all time.
I posted so many songs repeats were inevitable - but I couldn't stop myself! So many great songs. I agree with you that In the Air Tonight is amazing.
EF - I'm with you! I don't want him to retire. :(
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Just read on the internet that he ISN'T retiring, rather taking an extended vacation (although I doubt it will be 14 years!). He's had surgery recently for the nerve damage to his left hand and needs time to recoup. I'll look forward to future work and appearance by Phil.
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Thank goodness!
I hope everything's OK with him. He sounds really depressed and down on himself in that interview. Little wonder many media outlets reported that he was retiring.
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Here a massage vom PC from his webside, it is from yesterday.
http://www.philcollins.co.uk/de/news...s-message-phil
Yesterday I had also read he wants to retire, and I as a huge Genesis / Collins fan was not pleased with this news!But luckily it is not right!:pray:
An amount of my favorite songs from him and Genesis are already posted but some are still missing this must be changed!:laugh:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kDmnHyOBg[/ame]
From his newest album [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dRP5j_r3I[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbS8JK4TS8Q[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hav44P3TAEI[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSBYHBDQbQ[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ODmQ_cnOY[/ame]
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Some of my favorite Genesis Songs
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSwpW_QKz_I[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3HKz8Z61I[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJVS1IRAkyE[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7LBOTwrRU[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qn-YTAvgT4[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGipw0MaNo[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61hzuGGJX0[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJO8kcZdfQM[/ame]
LOVE this Version!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKYilFz-Zqs[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaraeKo6wcg[/ame]
and a lot more..........
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Last year Phil did a special 'One Night Only' show on ITV in the UK and it was said then he was taking time out to be a father.
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/philc...8/default.html
Not sure if it is available out there somewhere but it is well worth seeing if it is.
I saw Genesis play at Wembley in 1987, many years ago. Fabulous. I have cds and a video that still get regular playing time and albums that don't lol.
One of my fave tracks in addition to those already posted is this,
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xthQZUkICc8[/ame]
Pure magic from Phil and Chester. :thumbsup:
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If you can stand it this is the longer version of what I posted.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv-YRpPjnLA&feature=fvwrel[/ame]
Brilliant. :partytime:
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Okay I found some videos. These are from the 'Phil Collins- One Night Only' show from ITV in 2010.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3slaO9NE9s[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKITr0ESb8Q[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGwGdlu1Ws[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F12cFcWyuI[/ame]
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Phil's got his own official You Tube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/philcollins
And this piece that Koala posted
http://www.philcollins.co.uk/de/news...s-message-phil
does say he is giving it all up.
Quote:
'my reasons for calling it a day'
and
Quote:
'I am stopping so I can be a full time father to my two young sons on a daily basis'.
Going Back is his last album...... ever, I believe. There are lots of comments about him finishing on his facebook too. :brickwall:
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Very upsetting! I guess I always think that these rock heroes just go till they can't go anymore. I understand the hand issues and not being able to play drums any longer but I've always enjoyed his voice more than he drumming. He will be missed in the music industry and by his fans.
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Ok, I get it.....you all really like Phil Collins! :lol:
Yeah, I like him, too, but the only song I really know was In The Air Tonight. Loved that one! :nod:
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Has everyone seen the Cadbury's advert with the drumming gorilla playing on ITAT?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHjieD6CTYs[/ame]
My girls love that one. :hilarious:
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Originally Posted by
Annabel
I saw Genesis play at Wembley in 1987, many years ago. Fabulous.
I saw them about 1977/78 I think at Knebworth :thumbsup:
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I've just watched my Invisible Touch tour video. Then found these taken from it on you tube.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvS5eS_F9j8[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbHSLjqpQA&feature=related[/ame]
:thumbsup:
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I think the conflicting reports might be because Phil himself sometimes feels like giving it up, then thinks better of it! At any rate, I'll go with the good news. At the very least, it gave us the opportunity to start this thread and express our appreciation for a great artist!
And I don't care if he gives up drumming if it means we still get to hear that voice.
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I'm probably in the minority but I think releasing an album of Motown covers was a mistake. I wish he'd go back to the songs he wrote when he first went solo. Some of them are rather dark & depressing but in my opinion they are artistically superior to some of his really 'commercial' stuff.
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Originally Posted by
Freypower
I'm probably in the minority but I think releasing an album of Motown covers was a mistake. I wish he'd go back to the songs he wrote when he first went solo. Some of them are rather dark & depressing but in my opinion they are artistically superior to some of his really 'commercial' stuff.
I agree with you, 1-3 Motown covers are quite good but his own solo things are still better, especially the early years! The best example is probably In The Air Tonight, divine!
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Wow, I'd forgotten just how much great stuff he had! I remember a period in the 80's when radio stations would play a couple of Phil songs every hour! And I had some of his stuff on cassette... can't remember what though.
I love ITAT too, and Easy Lover is fantastic.
I may be in the minority here, but I also really really love "You'll Be In My Heart" from the Tarzan movie...
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Lots of Phil Collins on the local radio here yesterday after his retirement announcement. All of it good stuff.
One DJ commented on the Motown cover album saying it 'wasn't his best ever purchase by Phil'. I have to agree on that too. Maybe not the best way to go out. :shrug:
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Eagleskiwi, I also love "You'll be in my Heart" from the Tarzan soundtrack. That song helped me through a mighty rough time, during that time period when it was released.
I was a HUGE Phil Collins/Genesis fan in the 80's. I went to see Genesis several times, and also Phil solo. I was sorry to hear about his retirement, but I think it's great that he wants to spend so much time with his young sons.:thumbsup:
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I read in the paper yesterday that he is not retiring, he is just taking some time off to be with his son and to let his hand heal.
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Genesis is a very, awesome band. LOL I remember listening to Phil Collins as the singer and then hearing that same band with Peter Gabriel. They differ just a little bit, but I love Phil Collin's voice a little more. Follow Me, Follow You is one of the many that is my favvies from them. This band is one of a kind. I loved when he did songs for Brother Bear and Tarzan. LOL. Those songs are special.
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Originally Posted by
AzEaglesFan
I read in the paper yesterday that he is not retiring, he is just taking some time off to be with his son and to let his hand heal.
Phil stated on his own website that he indeed retired. Looks like David Gilmour is joining him in the retirement party.
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Man that sucks that he is retiring!!!!!!!!! I want more music from him. LOL. I guess it is his time though.
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I adore Phil Collins! I wish I'd seen him live when I had the chance.
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Phil Collins is super amazing and wish I saw him in concert as well as Genesis. I would've loved the concerts.
I love this song and Phil Collins has way too much fun with the crowd
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiJBjv911VM[/ame]
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Thanks to Freypower for pointing me at this thread. It was buried quite deep.
There's a new documentary on Genesis that was broadcast on the BBC on Sunday (and is still available on iPlayer for UK viewers) and will be shown on Showtime on Friday (under a different title, but the two films are the same length). There will also be a DVD release in November.
I don't know enough about Genesis to say if it's any good or leaves out anything of significance. It was still fairly entertaining for a non-fan but I don't feel inspired to explore their back catlogue.
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I can't tell you anything about Gabriel era Genesis. That's not a joke; I have never heard any of it.
I have the following Collins era albums:
A Trick Of The Tail
Abacab
Duke
Genesis
Invisible Touch
We Can't Dance
All of these albums to some extent continue with the prog rock for which the band is known, particularly the first & second named. Duke has a couple of very well known hits; Misunderstanding & Turn It On Again. Behind The Lines was reworked on Collins' solo masterpiece Face Value. Genesis includes the superb That's All & the epics Mama & Home By The sea. Invisible Touch & to a lesser extent We Can't Dance were huge commercial successes & probably require no explanation. They are all worth hearing. My personal favourite is We Can't Dance.
For Collins Face Value is beyond essential as is Hello I Must Be Going. No Jacket Required & But Seriously were the huge hit albums. Both Sides & Testify are very good.
You can't go wrong if you have Gabriel 1 (includes Solsbury Hill), Gabriel 3 (includes Biko & Games Without Frontiers) & So (includes Sledgehammer, Don't Give Up, In Your Eyes). I love Us as well but it's not as well known. I could write about this all day despite my lack of early Genesis knowledge.
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I briefly liked Genesis about the time of Nursery Cryme - "Return of the Giant Hogweed" in particular - but I turned away from prog rock soon afterwards and moved onto american soft rock. The later Genesis, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins are like the wallpaper of my life, much like the Eagles are for many americans. I've never had to buy any of their records because they were played everywhere. I quite like them.
Solsbury Hill is a bit special for me. I spent an important period of my life in a house with a view of Solsbury Hill and just up the lane from where Peter Gabriel had lived (I assume) when he wrote the song. He was gone long before we got there but I know his old house and it has great views across to Solsbury Hill. When I hear that song, it really does take me home.
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Just watched the documentary. There was nothing questionable from Tony Banks except that comment that Steve Hackett's playing was "stiff" in the seventies. That one was weird. But that seems to be his opinion and he said it.
But the other stuff...I can understand if it looks to some people like Tony is being rude or something, but he just doesn't know how to act for the camera. He talks like you were chatting with him at his home. I don't think that's a bad quality. And when you watch them together, you can see that Tony and Peter still have this..."healthy friction" or whatever, that best friends can have. The other guys have said this on many occasions, when there has been a "reunion meeting", that all of them tend to suddenly assume their old roles - and Tony and Peter are again the best friends in the good and the bad.
They are such old friends that they can talk honestly about each other and in the presence of the other guy. If I didn't know a little bit about Tony, or his childhood friendship with Peter, I would probably think that Tony was a bit rude in some places. But as it was, when the five men were there together it was like a reunion between old pals where the camera just happened to be on. No one was just playing nice for the camera. Perhaps Steve is a bit more an outsider to that "inner circle of school friends" than Phil. Seems that Phil isn't much of an outsider anymore. Probably because of his easygoing nature.
I think it was nice of Tony to admit that Steve's ideas weren't necessarily rejected because they were bad. Tony admitted that he shouted loudest and was the grumpiest if his ideas weren't accepted.
There were some things that I noticed were edited to make up a new conversation. There were bits taken from the Come Rain Or Shine documentary and edited. For example Tony's "try a few and see what happens" comment was edited to look like it was a response to what songs they should play. In fact it was originally a response to Mike Rutherford's comment that he doesn't remember what tuning he used on Cinema show. This is a minor issue, but when you recognize some "creative editing", no matter how minor, it makes you wonder how much the editors were manipulating the whole thing
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I've now watched the documentary twice & I love it. I know I need to start listening to the Gabriel era songs. So I am playing the live album Seconds Out which is from the Collins era, but it's a quick way to hear the songs. I am still only on Disc One. There are a couple of tracks from Trick Of The Tail which I already knew.
Carpet Crawlers - what's the big deal? It's too slow. As for I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) I cannot get into it at all. I thought this was the song where they started becoming a bit more accessible. The song I do like is The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. I am bracing myself for Supper's Ready on Disc Two.
Can any Genesis fans give me an idea of which Gabriel era albums I should buy or should I just get a compilation? There is something called R-Kive which includes tracks by all members. I was also considering Archive 2 which covers the Collins years.
In the meantime I have become obsessed with the song That's All from Genesis. Does this have the catchiest keyboard riff ever written? It's also Phil being abrasive & cynical which I prefer to his sentimental side. Yesterday I listened to Home By The Sea - also a great song from the same album.
Literally the second I write this We Wait & We Wonder from Both Sides has started! It's a good track, nice & anthemic.
I have a peculiar thing with Phil songs wondering if he will use English or American pronunciation. The more commercially successful he became the more he tended to pronounce words like 'last' & 'pass' the American way. Sometimes he does both in the same song. He will start English & go American (Mama) or start American & go English (Land Of Confusion has an American 'can't you see' & an English 'can't you see' at the end). Gabriel is the same on occasions (That Voice Again has an American 'can't help but listen' & near the end it's English). I am fascinated by this, I don't know why.
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I just realized that this thread existed after reading the part of HoTE thread discussing the Genesis documentary!
I'm a big Genesis fan. I like almost everything they've done. I will admit that I like the Collins era better, but I still enjoy most of the early stuff. I also like some of Phil Collins' solo stuff(just bought No Jacket Required on vinyl). My favorite album is probably Genesis or We Can't Dance. Gabriel era- I love Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound.
I've watched the documentary once before on tv. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it, except that my favorite song "No Son of Mine" wasn't mentioned at all! I've looked for at FYE, but I haven't found it yet
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I've just spotted this topic and Genesis, at least when they were operational, were my favourite group. I've been a loyal fan since being invited, by a friend who was a fan, to see them live in 1981. They were brilliant live.
Genesis were always a five piece on stage. Two huge drum kits, Big sound. Phil Collins is a great drummer and a great vocalist/front man. Their live albums, and even the bootlegs are all very good.
They've constantly done TV and radio broadcasts ever since Phil joined them at the start of the 70s. Peter's linguistic skills, something Phil later adopted, meant, when they started out, they were at least as big in Europe as they were in the UK.
Like the Eagles they are/were huge worldwide. Despite having great albums, they've always been better live than on record.
I gradually worked my way back through all the previous Genesis albums while keeping up with the latest stuff.
Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Double Album/Awful Sleeve) are the major Gabriel era albums. The Battle Of Epping Forest is the only Genesis track that I dislike. Almost every Genesis track has some redeeming feature.
Steve Hackett has just released a couple of CDs that revisit his Genesis days. They're extensive faithful and excellently done but they obviously don't contain the magic of the originals.
My jaw hit the floor when I read that Joe Walsh's pal and Barnstorm drummer Joe Vitale was Phil Collins' first choice drummer, when he launched his incredibly successful solo career. Vitale was already committed to a CSN tour so he had to back out. Big, Big mistake Joe!
I once saw a Peter Gabriel top ten which contained all the usual suspects, Salisbury Hill, Sledgehammer & In Your Eyes etc. except the number one: San Jacinto. Me and my brother looked at each other... we don't know that one, We immediately pulled out the disc, put it on... and Yes! San Jacinto is Peter Gabriel's best solo track.
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Originally Posted by
AlreadyGone95
I just realized that this thread existed after reading the part of HoTE thread discussing the Genesis documentary!
I'm a big Genesis fan. I like almost everything they've done. I will admit that I like the Collins era better, but I still enjoy most of the early stuff. I also like some of Phil Collins' solo stuff(just bought No Jacket Required on vinyl). My favorite album is probably Genesis or We Can't Dance. Gabriel era- I love Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound.
I've watched the documentary once before on tv. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it, except that my favorite song "No Son of Mine" wasn't mentioned at all! I've looked for at FYE, but I haven't found it yet
You can get the documentary,Together & Apart, on amazon.com.
They couldn't mention every song. No Son Of Mine is a favourite of mine too.
As I said above I am really loving Genesis at the moment. The self titled album is extraordinary. I could listen to Home By The Sea all day. One thing I should say is that there is a cliché that once Peter left, they went all poppy and commerical. They started having hit singles, yes. But anyone who has heard some of the long album tracks knows that they were still 'prog' at heart.