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Freypower
You can get the documentary,Together & Apart, on amazon.com.
They couldn't mention every song. No Son Of Mine is a favourite of mine too.
As I said above I am really loving Genesis at the moment. The self titled album is extraordinary. I could listen to Home By The Sea all day. One thing I should say is that there is a cliché that once Peter left, they went all poppy and commerical. They started having hit singles, yes. But anyone who has heard some of the long album tracks knows that they were still 'prog' at heart.
I'll have to order as soon as I can!
Imo, the self titled album is their best. It's the perfect combination of pop and prog. They always retained a bit of their prog roots in all of their albums. While the hit singles might have been more poppy, tge overall albums are still proggy. Mama and Illegal Alien are my favorite songs on that album.
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I have fond memories of both Mama and Illegal Alien live. The drums were so loud for Mama that I blinked every time they were hit and they doing some serious action at the end of the song.
Illegal Alien had a great introduction from Phil featuring a ghetto blaster and the whole band donning shades. It has a very good video too with wigs and fake moustaches. :).
It's very difficult not to enjoy a Genesis show and Phil does have a fun relationship with the audience. His tambourine solo during I Know What I Like is always worth seeing even now he's old;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3O1ZAjbang
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Mama is one of the most extraordinary songs I have ever heard, and anyone who has only heard songs like Another Day In Paradise & Easy Lover should listen to it. Having said that, the same people should listen to In The Air Tonight.
I'm discovering the early stuff on the R-Kive triple CD. The Musical Box - at the end Peter's screams of 'why don't you touch me? NOW! NOW!'
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I love the music video for Easy Lover (it's a great song,too!)
I forgot to mention That's All. Imo, that song is one of the best pop songs ever written! I love No Son of Mine for very personal reasons.
My 2 favorite Gabriel era songs are The Musical Box and Dancing in the Moonlit Knight. ( I love the dark middle part of this song)
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AlreadyGone95
I love the music video for Easy Lover (it's a great song,too!)
I forgot to mention That's All. Imo, that song is one of the best pop songs ever written! I love No Son of Mine for very personal reasons.
My 2 favorite Gabriel era songs are The Musical Box and Dancing in the Moonlit Knight. ( I love the dark middle part of this song)
If I start writing about That's All I will be here all day. Then I will start about Home By The Sea.
If anyone is wondering if I have forgotten Dire Straits the answer is no. But I don't write a lot about them here because for the most part I'm talking to myself (except for JCL). But I'm really discovering some of the Genesis stuff, or appreciating it, for the first time.
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Freypower
If I start writing about That's All I will be here all day. Then I will start about Home By The Sea.
If anyone is wondering if I have forgotten Dire Straits the answer is no. But I don't write a lot about them here because for the most part I'm talking to myself (except for JCL). But I'm really discovering some of the Genesis stuff, or appreciating it, for the first time.
Hey, that's not a bad thing lol.
I'm a casual fan of Dire Straits. I own Brothers in Arms on cd, but I'm a much bigger Genesis fan!
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I am no Genesis expert, I'd like to have a look into their work, I've meant to for a while but never got round to it - although as a Floyd fan I'll probably want to explore the more progressive Gabriel era first.
AG95, have you heard Dire Straits' Making Movies album? My personal favourite DS album is actually Love Over Gold (I absolutely love Telegraph Road) but it isn't for everyone, Making Movies on the other hand is highly rated throughout the DS fanbase. I am not a fan of the closing track Les Boys but the rest of the album is pretty flawless, with side one consisting of three top-notch songs (Tunnel Of Love, Romeo And Juliet and Skateaway).
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Jonny Come Lately
AG95, have you heard Dire Straits' Making Movies album? My personal favourite DS album is actually Love Over Gold (I absolutely love Telegraph Road) but it isn't for everyone, Making Movies on the other hand is highly rated throughout the DS fanbase. I am not a fan of the closing track Les Boys but the rest of the album is pretty flawless, with side one consisting of three top-notch songs (Tunnel Of Love, Romeo And Juliet and Skateaway).
No I haven't. DS is a band, that here in the states, only have 3 songs that get airplay, Money for Nothing, Sultans of Swing, and Walk of Life, so I haven't been exposed to them much. I love the Brothers in Arms album, but it's the only one I've heard in full. I guess that I need to change that! :)
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AlreadyGone95
No I haven't. DS is a band, that here in the states, only have 3 songs that get airplay, Money for Nothing, Sultans of Swing, and Walk of Life, so I haven't been exposed to them much. I love the Brothers in Arms album, but it's the only one I've heard in full. I guess that I need to change that! :)
There is a separate DS topic in the forum if you would like to read it. To quote Phil Collins Don't Get Me Started.
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Freypower
There is a separate DS topic in the forum if you would like to read it. To quote Phil Collins Don't Get Me Started.
Lol, I'll start reading it then!
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JCL, if you want to start with the Gabriel era, Selling England by the Pound is the best album, imo.
What do ya'll think of Genesis's first album, From Genesis to Revelation? I like it, particularly the song" "When Sour Turns to Sweet". It's more poppy prog (like the stuff that they would do after Gabriel left).
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AlreadyGone95
JCL, if you want to start with the Gabriel era, Selling England by the Pound is the best album, imo.
What do ya'll think of Genesis's first album, From Genesis to Revelation? I like it, particularly the song" "When Sour Turns to Sweet". It's more poppy prog (like the stuff that they would do after Gabriel left).
I haven't heard it. As I have said I have been unfamiliar with the Gabriel era albums & have only now started a very slow process of getting to know some of these songs.
JCL for the Collins era Invisible Touch is the best known, but I Can't Dance & Genesis are less poppy & might be more to your taste. My husband would probably tell you to start with A Trick Of The Tail. Or do what I did & get R-Kive which is a triple disc compilation featuring music by all members as well as the band.
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AlreadyGone95
What do ya'll think of Genesis's first album, From Genesis to Revelation? I like it, particularly the song" "When Sour Turns to Sweet". It's more poppy prog (like the stuff that they would do after Gabriel left).
The first Genesis album isn't really a Genesis album. Phil's not on it and they made it before they discovered their identity.
The story is, they gave a demo of their music to Jonathan King, who had attended their posh school and had scored a big hit single (Everyone's Gone To The Moon). JK said he liked it, commenting that it sounded rather like the (60s) Bee Gees. JK agreed to produce an album, so the band,eager to please, started writing Bee Gees imitations to put on it. JK gave the band their name, Genesis but the title of the album, Genesis To Revelation, meant it was racked with the religious albums.
I listened, quite a lot, to the very early stuff included on the first Genesis Anthology Box set but I haven't revisited it in awhile.
I tend to listen the Collins era more, even the later versions of the old favourites like Carpet Crawl, Firth Of Fifth and In The Cage. I love the Old Medleys that they perform on tour, but they don't go back as far as the "G to R" stuff.
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AlreadyGone95
JCL, if you want to start with the Gabriel era, Selling England by the Pound is the best album, imo.
Thanks for the recommendation - I went and listened to Selling England By The Pound last week and was hugely impressed. What have I been waiting for? It's gone straight onto my wishlist.
My favourite songs are probably the first three from the album, I really like the lyrics of the (sort of) title track Dancing with the Moonlight Knight and I absolutely love the instrumental sections on Firth Of Fifth. I love I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe). The lyrics about the lawnmower guy and his happiness at settling for mediocrity are funny and clever. I can't get the song out of my head either! I think this is because the chorus has the great earworm 'I know what I like and I like what I know' soon followed by the unusual and memorable line 'getting better in your wardrobe'.
I have to say I really like Peter Gabriel's voice, it just has a certain 'English eccentric' quality to it. I also like how he adopts several different voices on the Battle Of Epping Forest for the different characters.
Cheers
JCL
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Jonny Come Lately
Thanks for the recommendation - I went and listened to Selling England By The Pound last week and was hugely impressed. What have I been waiting for? It's gone straight onto my wishlist.
Cheers
JCL
Lol, that's the same reaction that I had over 2 years ago when I first listened to the album. Glad that you like it! :)
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As for From Genesis to Revelation,everytime I've seen it, it's always been listed as s Genesis album. Trepass (the second album) doesn't have Phil Collins on there either, is it not a Genesis album? In some ways, I consider this album to like Pink Floyd's Piper at the Gates of Dawn. Both feature very young musicians who are just starting out and learning their craft, but would later become world famous. From Genesis to Revelation is far from great, but I still enjoy it.
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I'm listening to Calling All Stations with the much maligned Ray Wilson. He sounds very similar to John Waite (Missing You). The song isn't bad at all; he just isn't Peter or Phil. But I didn't cringe through it as I thought I would!
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I quite like the Calling All Stations album but Ray Wilson hasn't the stage presence of Gabriel or Collins. Not by a long way!
What do you think of R-Kive, Freypower?
You gave me a lot of stick when I suggested that the Eagles should release such a collection. :fear:
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Funk 50
I quite like the Calling All Stations album but Ray Wilson hasn't the stage presence of Gabriel or Collins. Not by a long way!
What do you think of R-Kive, Freypower?
You gave me a lot of stick when I suggested that the Eagles should release such a collection. :fear:
Yes, I did, didn't I? And I am still not sure that it would work. Although perhaps someone would like to suggest a track listing along the same lines; mainly band stuff with three solo tracks each. I suppose it could be done. I just don't see Frey & Henley agreeing to Felder being allowed three tracks on a complilation being authorised by them.
I absolutely love R-Kive because not only had I not heard the early Gabriel songs but I hadn't heard the solo efforts by Hackett & Banks (and to be honest I had only heard Silent Running by Rutherford). The choices each member had to include only three tracks each are interesting. I would not have included Easy Lover, for example. I would have included Take Me Home or I Wish It Would Rain Down.
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I hope UTW will forgive me for copying this to the Genesis thread because I wanted to say something about it.
Originally posted by UnderTheWire on 10/7/14:
That's a good point. I've been thinking along the same lines. What you see on television isn't usually what you get in real life, it may just be a PR skill, or lack of. Tony Banks appeared slightly stiff and serious but he didn't say anything bad about anyone. He did remind me of Glenn a little in that they're both a little awkward on camera and seem like they're trying to supervise the others. It's just easier to love Phil Collins/Joe Walsh.
Based on the documentaries (and this is not serious)
Tony Banks = Glenn Frey (control freaks)
Peter Gabriel = Don Henley (it's the goatee)
Phil Collins = Joe Walsh (fun but with their demons)
Steve Hackett = Don Felder (former guitarist complaining about bias)
Mike Rutherford = Timothy B Schmit (long-haired and aimiable)
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I pretty much agree with these comparisons. I would say that Mike is the hardest member to compare & he seems to be the hardest to pinpoint. With Steve I know he was upset with the documentary, but happy with R-Kive. Like Felder, he does what is basically a Genesis tribute show. Unlike Felder, he has released a few albums under his own name. Unlike Felder at least he was in the room with them for the documentary (all the Eagles were filmed separately, of course).
I hadn't watched the One Show interview until yesterday & I find myself developing a very soft spot for Tony indeed. I wonder why that is?! If you listen to them they really are a keyboards based band, unlike the guitar based Eagles, and that is Tony's department. Watching the excerpts from When In Rome where they are discussing how & what to play, it's Tony who seems to have the final say most of the time. I noticed that despite his image Phil can be quite acerbic & impatient.
The book, by the way, is superb. I found out a huge amount I didn't know. I have to buy the early albums now. I'm enjoying all this new found interest with a sort of bemused disbelief. I occasionally post about this on Facebook but obviously don't wish to make to big a deal about it here. For some reason though, similar to the reaction many had after seeing HOTE, seeing Together & Apart has triggered something similar for me. And yet... this thread was started back in 2011 & I was pretty enthusisastic then. So it's been a Slow Burn (spot the obscure Gabriel reference).
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I'm saying this as a huge Glenn fan, and as an even bigger Tony fan:
They both may be control freaks, but there's one big difference IMO. As far as I know Glenn's controlling has always been based on what he sees is the best for the band. Tony, on the other hand, has always been fighting to get his own stuff through - at least before they started writing all the stuff together in the 80's. Even Tony himself has admitted that he got the most grumpy if his material wasn't accepted.
So there's a big difference.
Having said that, I love Tony. I've read/seen a lot of interviews. He's a very funny guy, although he tends to look nervous most of the time.
And yeah, Steve Hackett has released tons of inventive music since he left Genesis. I've seen him complain about two things.
1) His music was rejected. Tony admitted in the documentary that whoever got the grumpiest if his music wasn't accepted won. So it wasn't necessarily about the quality of the material.
2) His solo career was completely ignored in the documentary. The other guys agree.
So unlike Don F, Steve hasn't complained about a lot of things that the rest of the guys disagree upon.
Freypower, it's nice that you're starting to like Tony more. As for Tony having the final word, I think he's the guy who's best at remembering all their music. Mike has admitted that he forgets even his own parts. At the start of the "reunion" rehearsals Phil wasn't even sure what the song "Domino" was. :hilarious: Tony seems to have a great memory. He also had heard all their albums recently since he was very much involved with the new mixes. Phil said a few times that this time around he really started to understand Tony and they got along better than ever. I guess they all had loosened up at that point.
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I'm a big fan of Genesis, I love Tony but he's definitely the biggest whinger in the band. I've heard him moaning about Genesis fans ignoring his solo career. Moaning about Mellotrons. Moaning about playing live. Moaning about Steve Hackett getting all the credit for the Firth Of Fifth even though Tony wrote it. I can see he get's his way the majority of the time.
During the Genesis documentary, there was a scene with Phil, suggesting to Tony, very probably after numerous previous discussions on the topic, that they adjust one of their medleys. I think it was the "Duke" medley, that opened the concert. Tony wasn't interested and Phil didn't have the stomach for a fight over it. It was uncharacteristically lame. I was pleased to see Phil wanted to improve it.
I'm still hoping Phil can get his drumming back up to scratch so another Genesis chapter is still ahead of us. Unless Joe Walsh and Elbow inextricably join musical forces, There's nobody who can adequately fill the void they left behind, when they split up.
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Funk 50
I'm a big fan of Genesis, I love Tony but he's definitely the biggest whinger in the band. I've heard him moaning about Genesis fans ignoring his solo career. Moaning about Mellotrons. Moaning about playing live. Moaning about Steve Hackett getting all the credit for the Firth Of Fifth even though Tony wrote it. I can see he get's his way the majority of the time.
During the Genesis documentary, there was a scene with Phil, suggesting to Tony, very probably after numerous previous discussions on the topic, that they adjust one of their medleys. I think it was the "Duke" medley, that opened the concert. Tony wasn't interested and Phil didn't have the stomach for a fight over it. It was uncharacteristically lame. I was pleased to see Phil wanted to improve it.
I'm still hoping Phil can get his drumming back up to scratch so another Genesis chapter is still ahead of us. Unless Joe Walsh and Elbow inextricably join musical forces, There's nobody who can adequately fill the void they left behind, when they split up.
This is very interesting. If that scene was taken from the Come Rain Or Shine documentary (where they are preparing for the short reunion tour), I don't remember it. And I've seen it many times. Maybe I just ignore all that stuff because I'm a big Tony fan. :hilarious: In the Together & Apart documentary there was some "creative editing" too. I mentioned this earlier in this thread. There's a scene that was taken from the CROS documentary. Mike or Phil wonders which songs they should do (or something like that). Tony says, laughing, "Well, try a few and see what happens". Tony's comment was lifted from another situation. Tony was actually referring to guitar tunings. Mike couldn't remember the guitar tuning in Cinema Show. Tony just jokingly asked him to try a few guitar tunings and see what happens. So I wouldn't be surprised if there had been more "creative editing" going on.
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Reading the book made me see Tony in a different light. Believe it or not, before I thought that he was the laidback guy of the group.
I now know that Mike Rutherford is that guy. I still haven't seen any docs on the band yet, except for a bit of Sum of the Parts.
I now see Tony as a huge driving force behind the band. Was his controlling nature selfish at times? Yes. To quote David Geffen: "he's a malcontent". Like FP, I found myself being drawn toward Tony. Before, Mike had been the guy who I liked best. Now, I can't really decide. I haven't listen to Tony's solo work, so I can't have an opinion about his work being ignored.
Here's the thing with Tony, he's not a front man. Peter and Phil were. I doubt that most casual Genesis fans know his name. Tony was always over to the side a bit playing his heart out. (I sometimes think that Tony's fingers have unbreakable bones). While some people take note of him, it's not the same as Peter up there wearing a fox's head and a dress or Phil playing drums and singing or just singing. Tony rarely, if ever, had the spotlight on himself. I think that that's why he's kinda forgotten about or pushed aside.
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chaim
I'm saying this as a huge Glenn fan, and as an even bigger Tony fan:
They both may be control freaks, but there's one big difference IMO. As far as I know Glenn's controlling has always been based on what he sees is the best for the band. Tony, on the other hand, has always been fighting to get his own stuff through - at least before they started writing all the stuff together in the 80's. Even Tony himself has admitted that he got the most grumpy if his material wasn't accepted.
So there's a big difference.
Having said that, I love Tony. I've read/seen a lot of interviews. He's a very funny guy, although he tends to look nervous most of the time.
And yeah, Steve Hackett has released tons of inventive music since he left Genesis. I've seen him complain about two things.
1) His music was rejected. Tony admitted in the documentary that whoever got the grumpiest if his music wasn't accepted won. So it wasn't necessarily about the quality of the material.
2) His solo career was completely ignored in the documentary. The other guys agree.
So unlike Don F, Steve hasn't complained about a lot of things that the rest of the guys disagree upon.
Freypower, it's nice that you're starting to like Tony more. As for Tony having the final word, I think he's the guy who's best at remembering all their music. Mike has admitted that he forgets even his own parts. At the start of the "reunion" rehearsals Phil wasn't even sure what the song "Domino" was. :hilarious: Tony seems to have a great memory. He also had heard all their albums recently since he was very much involved with the new mixes. Phil said a few times that this time around he really started to understand Tony and they got along better than ever. I guess they all had loosened up at that point.
I've gone from complete lack of knowledge to the other way around. Maybe I could have seen it the way F50 sees it in his post above, as Tony being a 'whinger'. I did see some elements of that but I chose to focus on the huge amount he has contributed. I would like to hear his solo work; he has just released a four disc box set of it.
I have to say I also don't remember the conversation about the Duke's Travels medley being in Together & Apart. I haven't watched Come Rain Or Come Shine yet.
Thanks for these posts. I was hesitant to say anything yesterday as I didn't want to feel self-indulgent. There are still huge gaps in my knowledge. I don't even feel that I can do my usual trick of listing a top ten favourite songs, as at the moment it is all Collins era. I will say something though; I tend to get songs stuck in my head. If you look back through the thread I went through a That's All & then Home By The Sea phase (can't get enough of either song). Then it was Ripples, then Jesus He Knows Me & I Can't Dance. NOW it's I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe).
Something else; if Tony were as humourless, etc, as some may wish to paint him, what was he doing in the videos? They were all big Monty Python fans. When I sat down to watch the videos from start to finish (although they are in reverse order until the Calling All Stations videos, which are tucked away at the end) I thought 'how did they persuade this serious, solemn guy to make the Illegal Alien, Jesus He Knows Me & I Can't Dance videos'? Well, he's in them.
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They all (the "classic five") have a great sense of humor. Steve's humor tends to by rather dry. He will say something hilarious with a completely straight face. One thing I remember laughing at was Steve discussing Genesis lyrics in an earlier Genesis doc. Steve said that, comparing to rock lyrics in general, perhaps the Genesis lyrics had less to do with the mating ritual and more with.....(don't remember this).
Mike is very funny. Phil is, of course. Tony often makes fun of himself - especially his solo "career". One example of Tony humor, as told by Steve years ago. Various members who had been in Genesis at some point had gathered together for the Archives "reunion". This was when Genesis wasn't active anymore. Tony asked everyone to gather together. People did so, thinking Tony was going to take a group photo. When people had gathered together, Tony said "Look. These are the people we have managed to sack".:hilarious:
As for his solo career, as a huge Tony fan I'm sad to say that I don't like a lot of his solo music. To me a lot of it sounds like he was trying too hard to do something that isn't his cup of tea - nice, simple little pop songs that masses like. I agree with Mike that Tony's lyrics also prevent him from becoming a hit maker.
Some great solo songs that come to mind. Most of them are ballads:
Water Out Of Wine
Still It Takes Me By Surprise
That Night
An Island In The Darkness
Never Let Me Go
The whole A Curious Feeling album
Some (IMO) great Genesis tracks written solely by Tony:
Mad Man Moon (my all time favorite song. Unbelievable beauty)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ_U4XkAarE
Me And Sarah Jane (the last Genesis song written solely by Tony, and probably the last Genesis song in the "weird" category)
Evidence Of Autumn (This was left off the Duke album. Why? I'll never know. It's gorgeous.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8h0Wz6Z5nU
Heathaze
He has released two orchestral albums. I love "Six".
Ripples is one of the greatest Genesis songs, and it's a bit surprising to me that except for the instrumental, which I believe Tony wrote, the song seems to be Mike's. Such a moving lyric about aging and those fascinating chord changes are more "Tonyish". Mike's music, and later lyrics, tended to be rather simple and less unique.
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Thank you Toni for giving me this extra information. Can Evidence of Autumn be found on the Collins era Archive collection?
Doesn't Me & Sarah Jane (lovely song) pre-date Mama? Don't you consider Mama 'weird'?
Ripples is my favourite song from A Trick Of The Tail, but I have to say the chorus, great though it is, seems too loud for the rest of the song!
I swore I wouldn't start posting photos but excuse just this one as it's so cute.
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I first heard Evidence Of Autumn on the Genesis Archive 2 (Collins era). I don't own it myself. I have the song on my Three Sides Live CD, which has a few studio bonus tracks. I just noticed that it was the B-side of Misunderstanding. I don't want to bash Misunderstanding. It's a nice pop song. And it sounds like a hit. But I'd rather have had EOA unreleased than put it on the B-side of such a simple boy/girl tune! Unless my memory fails me, a few years ago Tony said that he would have replaced Mike's Alone Tonight with EOA on Duke. I still remember Tony's exact words about Alone Tonight, and I agree: "A less remarkable offering".:hilarious: Those guys can diss each other's stuff honestly, without being mean. I guess they love each other enough. Mike and Phil laugh at Tony's love for strange chords.
You are right about "weird". As soon as I had typed that adjective I felt that it's not the right word for what I wanted to say. I still don't know the most accurate way to describe it, but Me & Sarah Jane in a way has the last signs of the "old school" Genesis. Tony's weird chords, many sections, bizarre lyric etc. combined in one song. I know that some other people too feel that this was the last Genesis song that was more connected to their old musical style. On the other hand the finale is perhaps closer to their 80's style.
That's a very nice picture, taken by Peter. Mike looks sweet as ever. Tony and Peter are as far from each other as they can be for a change! :hilarious:It's funny how in the old pictures Tony and Peter were often close to each other. (Was Tony seeking comfort from his old school mate?:hilarious:)
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And here (the Archives "reunion", late 90's) Tony and Peter are close to each other again.:hilarious: http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/P...s-band-r22.jpg
And there's the Together & Apart documentary: http://www.theartsdesk.com/sites/def...201%20MAIN.jpg
And of course there's the school picture of two fine boys: http://www.multinet.no/~jonarne/Hjem...briel_1966.jpg
I love this picture, because it looks like two guys arguing about who took whose pencil that one October night at school, and then there's Mike who's just having fun: http://s3.srfcdn.ch/images/auftritte...arts_ii_s8.jpg
The relationship between those two fascinates me, because they aren't as close anymore as they were in school, but it has been said that when the "classic five" got together to discuss a reunion (which eventually became the three man reunion), everyone assumed their old positions, and Peter and Tony were the best mates again - also with the friction that comes with it.
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I actually bought the Misunderstanding single in the early 80s when it first came out but I much preferred the b-side Evidence Of Autumn. I was delighted it's been subsequently released on some Genesis compilation albums.
Phil's contributions to the Duke album, Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask could have ended up on Phil's first, classic divorce album Face Value. He gave Genesis first dabs on them.
Maybe if The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway had been more successful, they would have considered making Duke a double LP.
Duke also marks when Genesis started writing and recording with drum machines. I'm sure with tracks like Duchess, Mama and most obviously,In The Air Tonight, Phil single handedly ended the Music Union's Keep Music Live Campaign. They felt drum machines should be banned as they were doing drummers out of a job. :)
The drum machines have led to far less songs with odd and changing tempos and time signatures but I still love the band and love their music.
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I find it hard to associate the word "weird" with the Collins era of the band. To me, weird nicely sums up some of the Gabriel era songs. I prefer the word "quirky". A perfect song for that word is Robbery, Assault, and Battery off of Trick of the Tail, which is a Collins/Banks song (it's also my favorite song on the album). The music is a bit out there, but it's very catchy. I think that even later songs like I Can't Dance can be described as quirky. Just my 2 cents, though.
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AlreadyGone95
I find it hard to associate the word "weird" with the Collins era of the band. To me, weird nicely sums up some of the Gabriel era songs. I prefer the word "quirky". A perfect song for that word is Robbery, Assault, and Battery off of Trick of the Tail, which is a Collins/Banks song (it's also my favorite song on the album). The music is a bit out there, but it's very catchy. I think that even later songs like I Can't Dance can be described as quirky. Just my 2 cents, though.
A good word. I find Me & Sarah Jane quirky. The story is bizarre. Some of the chord progressions are strange. The overall structure is bizarre. If you tore the song apart, you wouldn't think that a lot of those bits can work in the same song. But they do!
You mentioned Robbery, Assault, and Battery. There's a nice bit in the instrumental section. When you play it on a guitar or keyboards, you'll find that Tony's fingers move very little when he moves from one chord to another. But still it's a unique chord progression.
I'm talking about the progression of eight chords that starts at 3:21 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ui-HncKTz4
That kind of darker (or quirkier) Banksian stuff ended with Me & Sarah Jane IMO. It came back on Calling All Stations.
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chaim
A good word. I find Me & Sarah Jane quirky. The story is bizarre. Some of the chord progressions are strange. The overall structure is bizarre. If you tore the song apart, you wouldn't think that a lot of those bits can work in the same song. But they do!
You mentioned Robbery, Assault, and Battery. There's a nice bit in the instrumental section. When you play it on a guitar or keyboards, you'll find that Tony's fingers move very little when he moves from one chord to another. But still it's a unique chord progression.
I'm talking about the progression of eight chords that starts at 3:21 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ui-HncKTz4
That kind of darker (or quirkier) Banksian stuff ended with Me & Sarah Jane IMO. It came back on Calling All Stations.
When it comes to chord progressions and changes, it's like your speaking Finnish to me Chaim. :hilarious:. I do see the part in Robbery, Assault, and Battery that you're talking about.
I still need to give Calling All stations a listen. I bought it on cd several months ago and it's been collecting dust ever since.
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AlreadyGone95
When it comes to chord progressions and changes, it's like your speaking Finnish to me Chaim. :hilarious:. I do see the part in Robbery, Assault, and Battery that you're talking about.
I still need to give Calling All stations a listen. I bought it on cd several months ago and it's been collecting dust ever since.
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IMO it's a criminally underrated album. Even Phil, who wasn't involved, has said that people didn't give it the chance it deserved. It's a rather dark album, and I can see that people who loved Invisible Touch, the song, might hate it. I love the fact that the more adventurous "Banksian chords" were back in some of the songs. On the other hand, Mike has said many times that he didn't realize how far apart he and Tony were musically until there wasn't Phil between them to smooth things out. Mike has also said that because they were so different, they would have needed a third writer if they had continued together.
Chord talk is like reading Finnish? Ei kai nyt sentään.:hilarious:
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chaim
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IMO it's a criminally underrated album. Even Phil, who wasn't involved, has said that people didn't give it the chance it deserved. It's a rather dark album, and I can see that people who loved Invisible Touch, the song, might hate it. I love the fact that the more adventurous "Banksian chords" were back in some of the songs. On the other hand, Mike has said many times that he didn't realize how far apart he and Tony were musically until there wasn't Phil between them to smooth things out. Mike has also said that because they were so different, they would have needed a third writer if they had continued together.
Chord talk is like reading Finnish? Ei kai nyt sentään.:hilarious:
I love the darker side of Genesis, so I'll probably like the album then. I also love songs like That's All and Invisible Touch. So far, I've yet to come across a Genesis song that I hated. No Son of Mine is my favorite song of theirs, which is probably one of their darkest songs lyrically. I'll dig out Calling All Stations when I get a chance to. :)
So Phil was the glue that held the band together. It's hard for most fans to picture someone else singing besides Phil or Peter, I think.
As for the Finnish, google translated it as: Surely now, after all. :confused:
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AlreadyGone95
I love the darker side of Genesis, so I'll probably like the album then. I also love songs like That's All and Invisible Touch. So far, I've yet to come across a Genesis song that I hated. No Son of Mine is my favorite song of theirs, which is probably one of their darkest songs lyrically. I'll dig out Calling All Stations when I get a chance to. :)
As for the Finnish, google translated it as: Surely now, after all. :confused:
:hilarious: I think "surely not?" would be a more accurate translation. 8-)
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chaim
:hilarious: I think "surely not?" would be a more accurate translation. 8-)
Ah, I understand. We have a saying for when you can't understand something. "It's like speaking Greek to me". Since you're from Finland(correct me if I'm wrong), I changed it to make a joke.
Anyways, back to Genesis. :)
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Regarding those photos I had seen a lot of them because I now have the Chapter & Verse book. They really did look like hippies in a few of those you posted, one in particular where Peter's hair was really long. The last one of the three originals caught my eye as well when I was looking at photos the other day. I have to say that the photos I have been saving are indeed from the Collins era, post Hackett.
Regarding CAS I have only heard the title track & seen the videos which are on The Video Show. Congo; good song. Not Genesis. :sad:
Wouldn't you class Domino as quirky & Banksian? What about TonightX3 which is one of the darkest things they ever wrote. I was listening to Do You Know, Do You Care yesterday & I thought 'this obviously continues from Face Value but it paves the way for that song'. I am much better at analysing lyrics than I am music, which I can't do at all.
It was bugging me yesterday that Mike had been on Top Gear. You can see him along with Brian Johnson & Charles Dance from Game Of Thrones at about 42:00. Richard Hammond is notorious for his dislike of Genesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5nquKlfTb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzLquFQZ-8
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I was going to mention Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, but then I deleted it. Domino came to mind too. (both great songs) Although I know a bit of technical/theory stuff, I still couldn't quite explain why I don't consider those as connected to their old days as Me & Sarah Jane.
IMO Domino is "different", but within their 80's style. Maybe it's the same with TTT. Domino is very much a Banks song. Even the lyrics are his. The guitar riff, on the other hand, is very Mike and very 80's IMO.
But TTT and Domino don't scream "Banks!" or "old Genesis!" to me as much as Me & Sarah Jane does. It's my fault that I can't quite explain why. I should be able to explain it, since I'm the one who brought it up. The "quirky" piano playing in M&SJ might have something to do with it. Maybe I'll conclude this by saying that M&SJ was a song where Tony was still "let loose", while the two other songs have been "polished" by Phil and Mike and the 80's production/arranging style.
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Re: Phil Collins / Genesis
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Originally Posted by
AlreadyGone95
I find it hard to associate the word "weird" with the Collins era of the band. To me, weird nicely sums up some of the Gabriel era songs. I prefer the word "quirky". A perfect song for that word is Robbery, Assault, and Battery off of Trick of the Tail, which is a Collins/Banks song (it's also my favorite song on the album). The music is a bit out there, but it's very catchy. I think that even later songs like I Can't Dance can be described as quirky. Just my 2 cents, though.
The quirky thing about I Can't Dance is that Tony played all the percussion stuff on his keyboard. ie. it's not adrum machine. It had a fabulous video and was quite something live too, with Phil on pretend harmonica and Michael Jackson dance steps :thumbsup:
It's very interesting hearing you girls talking about the old "weird and quirky" Genesis material. All the band members will say that they didn't have any female fans until Follow You, Follow Me became a hit single in 1978. A large majority of their international audience was spotty adolescent boys, who I think have stuck with them through the decades, despite the general opinion being, that the 80s and beyond stuff isn't as good as the classic early (obscure) stuff.
I half like Robbery, Assault And Battery. My favourite tracks on Trick Of The Tail are Mad Man Moon, Ripples and the title track. I love Tony's mellotron during Entangled. Dance On A Volcano and Los Endos are brilliant live.
I think Tony's most popular Genesis tracks are Firth Of Fifth, Afterglow and One For The Vine..... pre Follow You, Follow Me, anyway. :)
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A Trick Of The Tail was the first Genesis album I heard. I fell in love with it. For a while I didn't know that Peter Gabriel had been in Genesis. I must confess that when I was a teenager, I was an "old school" fan. I avoided their 80's stuff. The covers alone made me turn away.
Then, years later, at some point I actually started to listen to Genesis (the album) and Invisible Touch, and I noticed that they actually contain great songs! :hilarious: We Can't Dance contains some great stuff and some stuff I don't care for at all. Tell Me Why, for example, seems to me like another "let's be worried about the less fortunate people for a few minutes and then go eat a nice, juicy stake" song. I'm probably the only person on the planet who doesn't care for No Son Of Mine. The "concerned" Phil just does nothing for me. Even Driving The Last Spike. I think Phil chose a great subject there, but his way of writing and singing that kind of stuff is too naive IMO. I Can't Dance and Jesus He Knows Me are brilliant. Tony once said that when they were in the USA and saw a TV evangelist on TV for the first time, they thought it was a comedy. When Phil gets funny, not many can touch him. When he gets "concerned"...:doh:
I still find the Invisible Touch chorus intolerable. I still can't stand In Too Deep (sorry, Freypower). But I like most of that stuff a lot. And it's not like their early stuff didn't contain any filler material.